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Post by andyclarke on Jul 8, 2006 20:37:23 GMT 1
just looking in the catalogues at multipliers, anyone got any advice on what would be best to start with. only ever used fixed spool up to now. any ideas on make model would be appreciated. also maybe what rod would suit .
andy
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Post by seanc on Jul 8, 2006 22:07:26 GMT 1
8-)how much cash have u got to spend mate
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Post by martinw on Jul 8, 2006 22:36:13 GMT 1
Hi Andy, i started off with an abu 7000, got some advice off people on how to start off casting with it and took it from there, it was easy to use and trouble free. I wasn't getting a lot of distance at first but gradually got the hang of it and bit by bit wound off the brakes and quickly got the hang of it. Once i was happy with that i got myself the smaller abu 6500 c3 with a level wind and now progressed up to the faster reels, penn 525 super mag and the abu 6500 mag elite. In my personal opinion you cant go wrong with abu multipliers, simple in design and easy to maintain, but no doubt some people would disagree with me there! My advice to you is before you go and spend your hard earned on a new reel, try and have a loan of one off someone you know who's got one. My mate stevo went out and bought an abu 6500c3 for the beach and didn't like it and he's now back with his faithful fixed spool!! It can be a lot to spend if you cant get to grips with it. As for the rod, it depends on what you want it for, clean ground, rough ground or a mixture of both then you can match the reel to rod or rod to reel, and like seanc asks, whats your budget? All the best, martin
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Post by andyclarke on Jul 9, 2006 18:30:06 GMT 1
thanks for that martin i will see if i can have a go of my mates. as for price i didn't set a limit but thought 150 should cover all my options
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Post by martinw on Jul 9, 2006 18:54:07 GMT 1
is that £150 for rod and reel?
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Post by largerider on Jul 9, 2006 22:48:44 GMT 1
As Martinw sort of pointed out is your rod rung for multiplier or fixed spool reel, if it's rung for fixed spool then you'll need another rod.
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Post by andyclarke on Jul 10, 2006 9:02:47 GMT 1
yes i knew i would need a new rod, looking at some of the combos in veals catalogue but wondering if the penn 525 will be too fast for me, i know the blurb says the magnets can slow it down for novice casters,but lets face it they are trying to sell the reels, any thoughts. andy
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Post by rzaskar on Jul 10, 2006 9:16:17 GMT 1
Dont think the 525 would be to fast at all. Start with the reel set with full mags on and gradually work your way down. I think a mag real like that would be perfect for a first time real. 525s are brilliant over rough ground as well as clean beaches so there would be no need to have seperate reels for different venues. Malc in Beaumaris knocks them out dirt cheap as well
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Post by andyclarke on Jul 10, 2006 15:33:27 GMT 1
cheers for that advice rzaskar, will check up on the best prices. has malc got a website
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Post by rzaskar on Jul 10, 2006 15:38:48 GMT 1
Nope malc is far to old school for websites and he never picks up the phone either. Best to take a trip over to the shop he will sort you out a job deal on a rod and reel cheaper than any of the magazines
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Post by andyclarke on Jul 10, 2006 15:52:25 GMT 1
cheers for that, i will try to make time to pop along, if not it looks like the web . either way thanks for the help.
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Post by davidwilliams on Jul 12, 2006 10:01:49 GMT 1
I use an origional 525mag, its a bitch to control the backlash if yu arent an experienced caster with this type of reel. Honestly tho, be careful backing the magnets off!! Mag brakes are amazing but for sheer ease of use the old favourite Diawa millionaire 7HT (origional) is a sensibly priced casting tool. Not good for mixed or rough ground tho, unlike the 525 which is just a winch!! . I reckon the best advice i was given was spend as much as you can afford on a good quality set up
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Post by The Thunderstick on Jul 12, 2006 10:09:06 GMT 1
Andy, if your looking for a quality multiplier, contact Abu's NW Service agent Pete Coogan at Moreton on the wirral last number i had for him was 0151 677 3609. he can advise and sell you a damn good real. may save U a few quid for the rod you need to match Cheers
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Post by andyclarke on Jul 12, 2006 20:42:17 GMT 1
;D ;D ;D ;D ;Dthanks for all the advice everyone i will take it all onboard before i buy. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Holford on Jul 13, 2006 0:14:45 GMT 1
Hi Andy, Lots of info their for you. I know you can't make the fishing trip this weekend . However on the next one, myself and Largerider will fetch a selection of large and small multipliers for you try out on a couple of different rods too. They consist of varying size Abus from 5000 size to 7000 size some with mag brakes and some not. Shimanos are also one of our favorites (fast retrieve for the rougher ground) along with a nice little Ryobi that could be ideal just to get started with. At least if you maybe try a couple of different ones out you may save wasting any money on a reel that maybe doesn't work right for you. I personally think you can't go far wrong with an abu either, they are reliable reels and with the mag brakes that are now available they are a dream to cast (even for me) Hope this helps, Holf
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Post by martinw on Jul 13, 2006 13:29:49 GMT 1
Hi Andy, Like holford says there you realy cant go wrong with the abu's foir starting off with, mainly for all the reasons ive put in previous thread. Like i also said ive got the penn 525 super mag and to be honest i dont like it, its too fast and it has its wicked way with me too often!! (over-runs) one minuite ill have a right good cast and the next im walking back about 200 yds sorting out a birdsnest. Its all well having these top of the range all singing all dancing reels but you have to be confident in using them.
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Post by andyclarke on Jul 13, 2006 20:48:35 GMT 1
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Post by bass on Jul 17, 2006 1:38:02 GMT 1
I would recommend the Daiwa 7HT.You can use it straight from the box and for its price its a great reel.My 14 yr old son used to use my mag elite and my elite and was usually getting a couple of overruns when we went fishing.Id used a 7HT a few years ago so I decided to buy him one for his birthday.Hes been using it for a while now and loves it.I think I paid around £85 for it.my first multiplier was an intrepid seastreak or seascreach as we used to call them.
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Post by tryfan on Jul 18, 2006 14:22:36 GMT 1
hi i'd back up the 7ht too. its a great reel, ready to use out of the box and easy to look after. its spot on for a clean beach, though when I have tried it on rougher ground it can lack a bit of grunt. I also have a 525 and old 525mag, both are ok, i can't cast as far with these as the 7ht but they are far better for rougher ground.
personally i cast far further with multipliers than fixed spool and would always reccommend someone to try to change over.
paul
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Post by taffthebass on Jul 18, 2006 15:29:26 GMT 1
I've been reading this thread with interest, being a lure & float fishing man I am fairly new to beachcasting. I've found a fixed spool & 15' penn powerstick easy to use. However I cannot cast quite as far with a 12' rod & penn 525 mag old style slidy, I sometimes get a mild birds nest. It's tempting to try a diawa 7ht to see what the difference is but I think that some casting instruction is called for. Is mag or centrifugal braking better, or is it horses for courses?.
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Post by davidwilliams on Jul 18, 2006 16:05:51 GMT 1
Been following this thread too, have to fully agree with Tryfans points above. Advice i was given on my origional 525 mag was to use ordinary 20/50 grade engine oil in the bearings, this slows the spool making the cast more manageable. its not always the reels fault though either is it?!! Dont mean to open a can of worms but casting technique and a rod you can compress are as important if not more so??
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Post by bass on Jul 19, 2006 6:37:17 GMT 1
Taff,I'd definately have some casting lessons.As anglers we are very lazy when it comes to casting.Golfers are always trying to perfect their swing and think nothing of lessons unlike us anglers.Generally most of my fishing is either Bass fishing or scratching so casting isn't an issue.I do however have a couple of Cod sessions during the winter and sometimes need to cast some distance.A friend of mine is a considerably better caster than me and sometimes I just can't reach the fish.I had casting lessons a few years ago but due to my type of fishing I rarely cast more than 30 yds and havent kept up long range casting so even using a beachcaster feels heavy and awkward.99 percent of my fishing involves 2 1/4lb carp rods or fly setup
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Post by andyclarke on Jul 19, 2006 15:01:38 GMT 1
an interesting point bass brought up about having lessons and practising more. i was watching the womens golf yesterday and the commentater said that one of the girls needed to practise her swing more because she has lost 30lbs and she needs to get used to her smaller body. when i do eventually perfect my casting i will have to stay off the burgers the night before a fishing trip . mind you its a good excuse, i can only cast fifty yards because i had chips for tea lol . ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by bass on Jul 20, 2006 9:23:42 GMT 1
Thats it, Im definately staying off Kebabs.Ill tell the wife Im in training.She always says fishing is a lazy pastime.
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Post by dabcatcher on Jul 20, 2006 10:08:01 GMT 1
has anyone looked at the size and shape of most of the top casters? tuck in.
anyone new to multipliers should realy consider a reel with magnets as thery are far easier to adjust to differing conditions.
oil the bearings with 90 grade gearbox oil. you will still have the scope for adjustment when required, but it will calm your reel.
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Post by grahamedood on Jul 20, 2006 19:05:21 GMT 1
I've never used a multiplier for anything yet - but Ive got 2 now for boat fishing - on has got 50lb mono on it and the other will have 30lb soon. I'm tempted to get a beach rod suitable and give it a go off the beach too - presumably a 'boat multiplier' can be used off the beach? Bye the way - how do certian makes of multiplier assist over rough ground as mentioned above? Cheers.
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Post by largerider on Jul 20, 2006 21:03:39 GMT 1
I would not recommend the use of a boat multiplier off the shore unless it has some sort of anti backlash device fitted to help stop overruns( bird nests), For heavy ground use the larger sized ones can be loaded with a heavy line usually 30lb and are then used with no shock leader thereby eliminating the leader knot which is a weak spot. Multipliers also cast better with heavy line than fixed spools.
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Post by bass on Jul 21, 2006 6:26:32 GMT 1
generally boat multipliers are not really suitable for beachacasting although the Abu 7000 or Daiwa slosh are great for cranking in over rocky marks due to the retrieve rate.I generally load with 25lb straight through.
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